Barack Obama

[T.S.]

What is this guys deal?

He said he wanted to show his patriotism in a "different way" when he stopped wearing his American flag lapel pin. Is this the "different way" that he was talking about?

http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u90/snopesbinary/Politics/?action=view&current=abc_obama_anthem_071022a.flv

Originally Posted by United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

[Wyody]

T.S., I believe the guidelines you cite pertain to military personnel not in uniform - and not to people who have not served albeit I do not know if Barrack ever served ... or not. Private citizens do not have to do squat during the anthem.
And do you suppose we could get 53 to shoot out the headlights of whatever monster-truck is singing the anthem in this clip???? EEEEYYYYYOWWWW!

[catfish]

Originally Posted by T.S.

What is this guys deal?

He said he wanted to show his patriotism in a "different way" when he stopped wearing his American flag lapel pin. Is this the "different way" that he was talking about?

http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u...em_071022a.flv

Yes, This guy is a real POS. And so is that what ever it is that did the singing.

[Panterro]

Originally Posted by Wyody

T.S., I believe the guidelines you cite pertain to military personnel not in uniform - and not to people who have not served albeit I do not know if Barrack ever served ... or not. Private citizens do not have to do squat during the anthem.
And do you suppose we could get 53 to shoot out the headlights of whatever monster-truck is singing the anthem in this clip???? EEEEYYYYYOWWWW!

No that does not pertain only to military.. but if you want to get picky, he is serving when he became a US senator. He took an oath not unlike that the men and women take to serve this country.

And the problem with this country is right there in your post.. Americans think they don't have to do jack squat. That the freedoms they enjoy are a god given right, and they don't have to answer to anyone. You and them could not be any more wrong.

[isabel]

He doesn't seem to be disrespectful in his demeanor. In fact did I see his lips move singing along...let's not hang the man for not putting a hand on the chest.

Folks make mistakes let's not blow it up because of what we read in to it.

Izzy

[isabel]

Okay, I'm not up on all the candidates. Can you give me the highlights on this guy in a objective way?

Izzy

[Panterro]

Well Izzy, he has in recent times made statements about our troops and the war, and how he does not support either, and then he removed his lapel pin that was an American flag, and now he stated he wont cross his heart when the Anthem is played.. So he is sounding very anti-American.

Too be honest, he may have good reason for his views.. but its not coming across in a good light.

[isabel]

Well if that is the case...then he won't make the final cut. Regardless what anyone says about the war being wrong...or about traditional values regarding the American flag being old fashioned...This country is still very "God bless the USA". Anyone who confuses American's on their position regarding "Devotion to the American spirit"...will not be the next president.

Doesn't mean the guy isn't a good man...standing up for his values and refusing to go with the flow...but it will cost him the race in the end.

America is not ready for a president that doesn't wave the flag.

Izzy

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Panterro

No that does not pertain only to military.. but if you want to get picky, he is serving when he became a US senator. He took an oath not unlike that the men and women take to serve this country.

And the problem with this country is right there in your post.. Americans think they don't have to do jack squat. That the freedoms they enjoy are a god given right, and they don't have to answer to anyone. You and them could not be any more wrong.

Then something has changed since 1972. Please show me where civilians are required to perform as puppets.
And when you were about 2 years old, Pan, I was being handed my commendations personally by the President of this country - and even then, I was not the moronic sycophant that some are even today. I have dined with Governors at their request, Republicans - and did not see you there.
Thank you for your potentially informative response - but you left me confused.
**sorry for the late edit - I got carried away on Pan. still editing - still po'd. Pan, doggone your onery hide, anyhow!!

[T.S.]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Then something has changed since 1972. Please show me where civilians are required to perform as puppets.

I don't think that part of U.S. Code has been changed since 1972, or even many years before 1972.

[Wyody]

T.S., I will admit here that I have taken some steps in protest that definitely do not conform to this code - however, if I am recalling correctly, there is no mandatory response from civilians - feel free to correct me as it has been a very long time and really, once inducted, you're never really a civilian again - no matter how hard you try ... at least, this is how it's been in my case.
And do not confuse Pan's response with me agreeing or disagreeing with Obama. I'm still for Pat Paulsen.

[Panterro]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Then something has changed since 1972. Please show me where civilians are required to perform as puppets.
And when you were about 2 years old, Pan, I was being handed my commendations personally by the President of this country - and even then, I was not the moronic sycophant that some are even today. I have dined with Governors at their request, Republicans - and did not see you there.
Thank you for your potentially informative response - but you left me confused.
**sorry for the late edit - I got carried away on Pan. still editing - still po'd. Pan, doggone your onery hide, anyhow!!

First off.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. thanks man.. I really needed that laugh.

Puppet comment - My Reply: Public School, Baseball Games.

SYCOPHANT - Awesome word.. thanks! I am gonna use that every day till Its part of my vocabulary. ( it means - a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite. )

Another one I like is CUR - 1. a mongrel dog, esp. a worthless or unfriendly one. 2. a mean, cowardly person.

I'm glad to hear you were honored by the President.. must of be nice.. My dad who served as well, was spit on and called baby killer and treated like a criminal. I was just ignored and not thought of either way.. just did my job. Didn't expect rewards for doing my duty.. or scorn either.

Dined with Gov.: Na you wouldn't see me there either.. I have too much class.

I tend to leave most people confused.. its because I see with such clarity.

Again thanks for the good laugh.. man your a comic.

EDIT: http://www.senate.gov/reference/refe...s/Oath_vrd.htm

"Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire: a dangerous servant and a terrible master" [George Washington]

[Wyody]

Pan, please tell me you don't have a scorpion tattoed on or around your neck.
I swear, you get me riled faster than an ex-wife ... and you know the scorpio-nature, i.e., hurl words first, smooth later.
Well, you're alright by me - just a spark I don't always need.
It's good to have you behind me sometimes ...
but this is getting ridiculous!! nice glasses though:
Actually, I could've been a comedian ... but my mind works too differently from others - same problem as you I guess.

[Panterro]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Pan, please tell me you don't have a scorpion tattoed on or around your neck.
I swear, you get me riled faster than an ex-wife ... and you know the scorpio-nature, i.e., hurl words first, smooth later.
Well, you're alright by me - just a spark I don't always need.
It's good to have you behind me sometimes ...
but this is getting ridiculous!! nice glasses though:
Actually, I could've been a comedian ... but my mind works too differently from others - same problem as you I guess.

I sure do.. on the back of my neck. It has my back. =)

[Wyody]

Yow ... but if I recall correctly, that isn't you.
This is what I would refer to as a "stage 1 Scorpio ... to the extreme" - the type of Scorpio that scares me and many members of the civilized world.
If it is you .... then, you're welcome.
This is the pic I remember as you: (attch) gad, there is resemblance.
Hey, Peace, Texan. Good Morning

[Panterro]

LOL.. I WIN! I made you change the subject! YAY!

[Wyody]

I've never been happier for you.
Perhaps I should point out that the original subject belonged to T.S.
... and I apologize for detracting from it.
It was all Pan's fault.

[Panterro]

Well back on topic then.

I think Mr. Obama has a snow balls chance in hell of winning this thing. I think the only thing he has done is shown his true colors.

[Wyody]

Not sure I agree with that. All the rebels of the world are still hoping for that "knight in shining armor" to come along - and there are a lot of rebels.
Pan, PDX, Wyody, Deep & Disappearing Thought, to name a few.
Also, currently, we have no Jesse Jacksons or Religious Zealots in the mixes - and some folks are always looking for a candidate to throw their vote away on - to make some sort of statement for themselves.
Wide open.
Would a ticket of Obama and Hillary be "Barracklary"?

[Panterro]

I'm just gonna write in Steven Colbert on my ballet.

[Wyoming53]

Covering your heart during the National Anthem is not being a puppet. You cover your heat to pay respect to those that died for you. Do you understand that? Head over to Arlington and walk amoung the white.

Our Country is free because some folks decided to stand up and make a difference. I will proudly place my hand over my heart. I will also stand when the colors go by.

Obama Bin Barrack is a POS.

[Wyody]

Had you read, 53, you would have seen a question up above.
What you do is not the issue - although you should realize that many people do not place a hand over their heart - that's not what they were taught to do ... they were only taught to do that to the "Pledge of Allegiance". It doesn't mean they're not supportive of their flag.
Being Christian takes precedence over any country - even in this country (where it is basically, written into our rules, laws and gum-flapping) yet, got a couple of Pagans here slappin' their jug and pointing at a man who is doing nothing irreverent. Perhaps the wrong people are doing the pointing.
But 53, once again you do illuminate one of the matters that has been raised here - that mindless sycophantic following-along is as bad or worse than just the act of being mindless - and you raise both to the level of an art form. Applause.

[Panterro]

OH there is the problem, your looking at this through Christian eyes.. now I get it.. God before country.. now you make sense to me. I still think your an idiot. Like Christians are not mindless robots.. and you just proved what a robot you are here in this post above.

THE QUESTION: WHAT IS THIS GUYS DEAL?

THE ANSWER: Provided by 53.. THIS GUY IS A POS.Also provided by Me and Catfish.. crap catfish and I agree on something, damn-it.

[Wyody]

No Pan, the fact that I am Christian does not usually come into the equation on my own side - not that good of a Christian ... and really frown on the mindless-Christian mindset that doesn't allow them to think for themselves.
What clouds my thinking is that I am part Ahole - works totally against my pacifistic side - and often against my logical side.
Shouldn't have gone off on the Cowboy that way - he don't know no better - sorry Fitty.
I am simply trying to point out to the most vociferous on this "patriotism" thing that, according to the intent of Founding Fathers and all that, y'all ain't measuring up either.
For now, could care less about Obamadahma - but that could change. I think religion and politics do not mix well at all, usually.
And just to make sure your barb is responded to, I think you and 53 wear the same hat size ... over inflated and under filled.

[Wyoming53]

But Barrack POS Obamma has stated that he is doing it for a reason. He is making a point. And to disrespect the brothers that stood and died is not what a presidential hopeful should be doing. He has shamed me and everything I've stood for. Christian has nothing to do with it. Respect has everything to do with it. Over 200 years we have respected our fore fathers and I would hope that we continue to do so.

There is a picture on the web where a guy in a wheel chair makes the effort to stand when the colors are marched by. The punk ass kids around him just sat there on the curb. That is a man I will respect.

[isabel]

http://jonathanpotts.blogspot.com/20...try-going.html



some info on it.

The drift I'm getting is he supports the troops but not the war. That the flag pin became a symbol to him of "Folks who support the war". He makes some comments about how long our troops are serving without a break and a trip home. That they need services when returning home. So he seems to be a reflection of many of the folks who are joining the movement of ending the war. Not a traditionalist but still a patroit in a modern sense. He made a mistake involving the flag...it makes him less presidental to many folks who do not know him or his values.


Izzy

[isabel]

I told you I heard/saw him singing during the song. He explains it well. According to his grandfather this is how it is done. Traditional after all.:)
Izzy
http://www6.comcast.net/news/article...7/Obama.Photo/

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Wyoming53

But Barrack POS Obamma has stated that he is doing it for a reason. He is making a point. And to disrespect the brothers that stood and died is not what a presidential hopeful should be doing. He has shamed me and everything I've stood for. Christian has nothing to do with it. Respect has everything to do with it. Over 200 years we have respected our fore fathers and I would hope that we continue to do so.

There is a picture on the web where a guy in a wheel chair makes the effort to stand when the colors are marched by. The punk ass kids around him just sat there on the curb. That is a man I will respect.

I'll get to reading that link in a minute, Izzy - but wanted to say to 53 - Dude, I agree with you on that one.
There are many directions we can take with our feelings, our dislikes, our rantings and our ravings ... but there comes a time where simple decency and respect for others is supposed to take over.
I'll get back to you about Obama's "point" - think he may have gone into the wrong bowling-alley.

[Wyody]

Okay, I read it. Fi'ty, I believe it's you who went into the wrong bowling alley - 'fess up.
(but I still don't seem to care about Obamarama).

[Panterro]

Its all about perception.. not truth or reason. He is being perceived as a POS, and that is why he wont be the next President of the United States.