So, is Obama Done?

[the dufferz]

A month ago it seemed like the Obama express would run over everyone for this election. He seemed invincible with his speaches and the press seems to be orgasming over everything he did.

What a difference a month makes! Now he is back on his heals, trying to walk a tight rope in keeping the blacks happy by not turning his back on his "pastor", but at the same time trying to convince everyone else that he really does not support what his mentor said... now that's my kind of mentor...

In my never humble opinion, Obama is probably done, Hiliary will either have to steal the nomination away from him, or we watch a crippled Obama limp into November.

Either way I predict that it will be president McCain in November.

The duff

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by the dufferz

A month ago it seemed like the Obama express would run over everyone for this election. He seemed invincible with his speaches and the press seems to be orgasming over everything he did.

What a difference a month makes! Now he is back on his heals, trying to walk a tight rope in keeping the blacks happy by not turning his back on his "pastor", but at the same time trying to convince everyone else that he really does not support what his mentor said... now that's my kind of mentor...

In my never humble opinion, Obama is probably done, Hiliary will either have to steal the nomination away from him, or we watch a crippled Obama limp into November.

Either way I predict that it will be president McCain in November.

The duff

Duff, I don't think Obama is done at all. In fact, I think his "Reagan-esque" attitude of "Bite Me" will actually increase his stature in that regard to those who are already leaning in his favor.
I certainly hope McCain doesn't win. However, I do see a problem with many "Democrat-slanted" folks of a more senior age in trying to decide which is the more correct vote, i.e., the nostalgic vote for Obama ... bringing back that Kennedy-era feeling of change-in-the-air ... or voting for what has outlandishly become the "traditional" Democratic candidate, i.e., Hillary.
I would only ever have a couple of things to say in her defense: One is, she's smarter than Bill was/is - and Bill's pretty smart (downside: she's not as personable) and Two: She is aligned more along traditional lines than Obama (which makes her a female McCain in my view).
Personally, I hope they start letting us elect CEO's and such - it makes more sense for us to elect the business leaders these days - and with the new vacancy created lately, it becomes more relevant ...
(you heard about that, right? The CEO of Pepsi got fired .... seems they found Coke in his system) hahahahahahaha.

[Torrey]

Osama is an idiot.... nobody in their right mind would elect a black muslim to the highest power seat in the world. Not I, at least!

[Panterro]

Naw he is already bouncing back with New Mexico's Gov. endorsing him today.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Torrey

Osama is an idiot.... nobody in their right mind would elect a black muslim to the highest power seat in the world. Not I, at least!

Not a Muslim. Public concensus now tends to call him a "bad Christian" ... uh ... kinda like the rest of us?
It's also time to admit that around half of the voters are leaning his way - and not all of that half are in their "wrong" mind.
Heck, even 50 million Elvis Presley fans can't be ALL wrong!

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Panterro

Naw he is already bouncing back with New Mexico's Gov. endorsing him today.

I'm not sure if that helps or hurts. I mean, some of us have always kinda liked Richardson - for one reason or another - but I perceive him a little like McGovern - a "flip-floppy" sort of "dishrag" type. In that sense, his endorsement means nothing to me except that HillBillary didn't get it.
However as Pan suggests, that'll pretty-much seal the deal.

[the dufferz]

If trends continue, the problem that Obama is going to have is that polls show 10% of Mrs. Clinton's supports say they will vote for McCain. While I have a hard time believing that, I don't have a hard time believing that a lot of Hilary supporters won't vote at all. While McCain will have the same problem with Conservatives, I don't think it will be as intense.

I would not be surprised if Mrs. Clinton tries a "he's too damaged" trick at the Convention and tries to get the super del's to vote for her, so Obama is not even out of the water for getting the nomination.

Time will tell and it is early, but the trial of that Resko guy is a looming storm, and if he keeps focusing on race like he has in the last week you will see his numbers either drop, or at least not recover.

[Panterro]

Originally Posted by the dufferz

Time will tell and it is early, but the trial of that Resko guy is a looming storm, and if he keeps focusing on race like he has in the last week you will see his numbers either drop, or at least not recover.

Glad you brought up Rezko..



When one opens mouth, One's foot is sure to follow.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by the dufferz

<partials> ,,, the problem that Obama is going to have is that polls show 10% of Mrs. Clinton's supports say they will vote for McCain. ... I don't have a hard time believing that a lot of Hilary supporters won't vote at all. While McCain will have the same problem with Conservatives, I don't think it will be as intense.
I would not be surprised if Mrs. Clinton tries a "he's too damaged" trick at the Convention and tries to get the super del's to vote for her, so Obama is not even out of the water for getting the nomination.
... the trial of that Resko guy is a looming storm, and if he keeps focusing on race like he has in the last week you will see his numbers either drop, or at least not recover.

All well put Dufferz - and it covers a lot of ground.
First - thanks for reminding us of the "Resko" story. I had dismissed that whole deal as irrelevant and superfluous when it first came up ... and when it came up again ... but must admit that there might be something there - and with that, there's another word that keeps popping into my head and that word is "Whitewater". (That is the right word, isn't it).
Now, for those of us who have a dislike for the Republican party in general, I think it's mostly because we perceive Republicans as "Mean ol' Crooks". If Resko means something toward Obama and Whitewater means something toward Clinton then ... that will mean our overview toward Democrats has to at least equal our view of Republicans, won't it?
The seeming, absolute hatred for Hillary that I've noticed for several months now is nearly staggering. People that seem to be somewhat sensitive and intelligent have just thrown that word out toward her at the drop of a hat. Now, I've never hated her. I've just had a perception of her that isn't real grand. Liked poor Billbilly but not really Hillabilly. Always thought maybe it was one of my "guy things". I just ... except for that possible "Independent" chance ... I think she's done - and not just done ... I mean "done" - like in Joan Baez to Obama's Bob Dylan - "done" in a "get off my stage" sort of way.
Truth is, she's too old. Younger than McCain, yes but even back before 2000, "they" were noting that she would be too old to seriously run in any election except the 2000 election - - and I agree with that.
I can see a lot of Democrats not voting at all if either loses - they're that "polarific".
Thanks for nutshelling it, Dufferz.

[isabel]

I think my choices are McCain and OBama. I like both...McCain because he is a republican and a liberal thinker. I like O'Bama because he reminds me of Kennedy and the era of change...of youthful thinking and the dream...that 60's hazzy dream:)

Izzy

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by isabel

I think my choices are McCain and OBama. I like both...McCain because he is a republican and a liberal thinker. I like O'Bama because he reminds me of Kennedy and the era of change...of youthful thinking and the dream...that 60's hazzy dream:)

Izzy

Please remind me to go back thru the archives and read the things that explain to me that McCain is a liberal. I need to know why he is called a liberal.
I've been hearing this for a couple of months now. I don't really recall hearing it before - I always thought of him as a Conservative ... in fact ... I always think of a Republican as a Conservative.
I think of Democrats as liberal AND conservative. Am I so full of this "Young Republican" vision that I just tuned that possibility (liberal Rep) totally out?
Anyhow, I digress for now as I realize that is not the intent of this thread ...

[Torrey]

Obama not a muslim? With a muslim name? He can be saying he's not muslim. Osama Obama gets no vote here. Neither does Billary. We had enough of her in office for 8 years already. McCain is for amnesty. I don't grant ILLEGALS amnesty, sorry. I think we need to throw the whole lot out and start over. As Citizens, we have the right to do so.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Torrey

Obama not a muslim? With a muslim name? He can be saying he's not muslim. Osama Obama gets no vote here. Neither does Billary. We had enough of her in office for 8 years already. McCain is for amnesty. I don't grant ILLEGALS amnesty, sorry. I think we need to throw the whole lot out and start over. As Citizens, we have the right to do so.

Although I think you're being too harsh in judging someone by their name ... I do totally agree with your last comment about throwing them all out and starting over.
I have a couple of questions - they plague me every time I think like this - and maybe, Torrey, you have answers?
1) Just who do we start over with?
2) These people we want to throw out ... they've studied, they've learned the ropes - what do we do with them? Are they totally useless or can we just change their job assignment?

[Torrey]

We throw them out, and put Ron Paul in office. Nobody seems to agree with a lot of what the current candidates wish to do with our country, so they have no place.

[Panterro]

Sure lets just put the country out of its misery and put Ron Paul in office.. he is a big buffoon.

[Panterro]

What do you think about this?

YouTube - IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA CANNOT WIN A GENERAL ELECTION

YouTube - IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA CANNOT WIN A GENERAL ELECTION

[Wyody]

Ahhh ... as for me - if this is real - it's unrealistic.
As much as I want to be a peace-nik, I will always like having the biggest bomb, the biggest hammer, the biggest gun, the best quarterback, the heavyweight champion, the bad-assiest truck, the hottest shower, the best showerhead, etc., etc., etc.
If he really said this stuff - it'll be all over the news tomorrow I suppose - and forgive me for questioning it's authenticity ... I just know it's gotten really easy to manufacture this sort of thing.
From NE Arkansas, it's a short drive up to Illinois. Send Catfish up there to set him straight!

[the dufferz]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Ahhh ... as for me - if this is real - it's unrealistic.

My first throught was "no way, it's a fake". So i checked it out and per cnsnews this is posted:

The video is posted on the official "Obama '08" campaign's YouTube channel but not in the BarackObama.com Web site's video section. The "Obama '08" channel labels the video "Obama-Caucus4Priorities."

Obama's YouTube Defense Talk 'Bizarre,' Analyst Says -- 03/04/2008

So, without further investigation, I am comfortable that it is probably not a fake. Is it any surprise the hear this from Obama? He is more liberal than Mrs. Clinton and is so wrong minded regarding defense. Risky to publish, but then again he must keep the radical's in the party happy, so he can't hide his opinions or liberalism.

I believe these things will haunt him through the summer:
He is now the "black" candidate, more than the candidate of change.
He had dealings with Resko that will make him a "typical" politician, not a candidate of change.
He is far more liberal than 95% of America.
and the biggest problem will be... nobody so far can name ANYTHING signficant he has accomplished as a senator. Nothing, zero. Votes "present" far too often, and when he votes, he votes with the most liberal wing of the party.

It is for these reasons that I think there will be an all out assalt on the super dels. on the part of Mrs. Clinton to convince them that he is not electable. There is no reason in the world why Mrs. Clinton would be still in there right now if she was not planning this. If you can't catch 'em, ambush him.

This is going to be interesting to watch. If this does happen and she prevails I suspect that the damage she creates within the party will be felt for years. Even if she does not prevail, the divide between the supporters will be long lasting.

This is why I predicted that McCain will be the next president, regardless of who is his opponant.

The bummer thing for me is that I don't like any of them, so my "guy" won't win no matter what happens. Sigh.

Duff

[T.S.]

Originally Posted by the dufferz

and the biggest problem will be... nobody so far can name ANYTHING signficant he has accomplished as a senator. Nothing, zero.

Duff

Evidence below.

YouTube - "Hardball" Way Too Hard for Obama Supporter Kirk Watson

YouTube - "Hardball" Way Too Hard for Obama Supporter Kirk Watson

[Torrey]

Originally Posted by Panterro

Sure lets just put the country out of its misery and put Ron Paul in office.. he is a big buffoon.

Why do you think that? I know you are Mexican and probably don't know much about our American History or how this country is supposed to be run, so I will pardon, and tell you that Ron Paul's ideas are not wrong, they are correct and in line with the way this country was founded. Panterro you need to do a little reading at the library sir.

[the dufferz]

Originally Posted by Torrey

Why do you think that? I know you are Mexican and probably don't know much about our American History.

Hey Pan! since when did you turn Mexican? Dang I thought you were a honkey just like me! So, how do I go about making that change Pan? I figure there may be some government program out there for me as a minority. : )

As for Ron Paul, some of his ideas are good, but honestly this guy is not the real deal and judging from his 4% showing among republicans, not too many people agreed with where he is at. But then again, the republicans are so messed up right now I don't think they could all agree that the sky is up. Why they would choose someone like John McCain is beyond me.

sigh

duff

[isabel]

I wish Obama had more substance. A record we could hold up and say...seasoned, tough as nails, and quick on his feet, and smart. I guess my idea of a tough cookie president is martin sheen from West Wings Series. Sounds silly but I liked him flaws and all as president on that series.

My favorite presidents are Kennedy and Regan. My favorite first lady is Mrs. Barbara Bush. Like her better than her husband. You know Kennedy was a politican for 14 or 15 years before he became president. Obama as far as I know only has about 7 years. Wish he "Barry" Obama had more seasoned years under his belt.

Izzy

[Wyody]

Barry? BARRY?? Well, don't that just Americanize him a little better?
I was fine with him not having a lot of experience. I was fine with him not having accomplished a whole lot in the Senate. It's hard to approve of a ton of experience if it's all with this same non-working system and I figured if he lasted a couple years in the Senate and was still popular then, he'd still be on the right track. Talked a pretty good story.
But truly, this thread points out how unrealistic some of his rhetoric is ... and the only thing I wonder is if he actually knows how unrealistic some of it is? Surely he knows, right? I mean, he's got to be smarter than me .... at least I loosely assume that ... and I know it!
Politicians often promise things they know they can't deliver - whatever sounds good - I guess ... I guess ... well, I guess that dream is busted!

[the dufferz]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Barry? BARRY?? Well, don't that just Americanize him a little better?

I heard the next move is to rename him "Gary" and then before November change Obama to "Jones".

I truly think we will see one of the greatest political plane crashes in the history of politics. Whether it be Mrs. Clinton stealing it away from him in Denver, or a summer long nose dive to November against McCain, it won't be pretty to watch him speak just like a flight attendant who is trying to prevent the plane from crashing by simply talking to the passengers.

McCain may be the luckiest man on earth right now!

Duff

[isabel]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Barry? BARRY?? Well, don't that just Americanize him a little better?

Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Above is a link to his bio. He was born in Hawaii. Called Barry in his youth. I would vote, may still vote for him, if I just had a better feel for the man's nature. His intentions. His character. Guess I better get off my lazy bones and do some research.

Or maybe some of us here do do some research for FACTS on obama.

I like McCain but like Wyody...would like one more shot at shaking things up and seeing a big change in our country instead of little tiny ones that take forever to make noticeable change. I think there are a lot of folks out there feeling the same way or he wouldn't be doing as good as he has so far.

McCain to me represents the current system and keeping things the same. He is a safe choice in my book even with his "Military" background. Plus he actually took a letter from my mom about how she couldn't get her disablility social security...and he acted on it and got it noticed by the right people and taken care of quickly. He may get my vote just for that reason. Noticing the little guy and listening. Has O'bama any record of doing things on that level?

Well, I got a little time to figure it all out.:)

Izzy

Izzy

[Wyody]

Izzy, take a look at post #16 on this thread - it haunts me.
I know his bio - pretty well anyway - I chuckled when someone called him a muslim 'cause I've been seeing the truth of that matter. I just never heard him called Barry before - never crossed my mind that he probably grew up with the name.
I don't have anything against him ... it's just that this "inexperienced" thing is bugging me a tad - like, better to have someone that knows the system and whose necktie to twist than someone who has great ideals ... but no system to put it into effect! I haven't decided either ... I'm starting to fear that I'll sit this one out like the last one.

[Torrey]

In the video in post #16 he sounds like he is spewing stuff from Ronald Reagans term in office. ICBMs? Come on.... cold war has been long over. Obama doesn't have anything to offer anyone. I say we take Obama, both Clintons, McCain etc and toss em all in a meat grinder and feed em to the hogs.

[the dufferz]

Originally Posted by Torrey

In the video in post #16 he sounds like he is spewing stuff from Ronald Reagans term in office. ICBMs? Come on.... cold war has been long over. Obama doesn't have anything to offer anyone. I say we take Obama, both Clintons, McCain etc and toss em all in a meat grinder and feed em to the hogs.

Yeah, it reminded me of something Jimmy would have said back in the 70's. Shudder!

Anyway you look at it, this will be a dismal season for politics. Sigh

[Senor Member]

Originally Posted by the dufferz

A month ago it seemed like the Obama express would run over everyone for this election. He seemed invincible with his speaches and the press seems to be orgasming over everything he did.

I agree

What a difference a month makes! Now he is back on his heals, trying to walk a tight rope in keeping the blacks happy by not turning his back on his "pastor", but at the same time trying to convince everyone else that he really does not support what his mentor said... now that's my kind of mentor...

I disagree. As far as I can tell, everyone in this country is still infatuated with Obama.

Either way I predict that it will be president McCain in November.

We can only hope so.

[Wyody]

I was monitoring this movie the other day - it was a loosely accurate bio of Beethoven (Ludwig ... not the dog).
The narration during that movie went something like ... "We were initially for Napoleon because he brought an air of change" ... meaning, to Europe.
I shuddered slightly at my desire and even infatuation with change ... and thought about a couple of the comments on this thread that reflect that same though ... and then I shuddered again.
It would not be a good thing to fear change ... but still, there's an element of caution that keeps raising a yellow flag in my mind ...