Not Even President Yet..

[Panterro]

What did I say.. the man is not even President yet, and they are already trying to kill him. 4 arrested in plot to kill Obama.

Hope you all like BINDEN, because if Obama makes it.. Binden will be our next President.

[Wyody]

I can't remember if I like Biden.
I like Obama ... except that he's a politician, dresses too straight, reminds me of someone who's been overly-protected while honing his oration skills and is currently from Illinois ... and that one unmistakable flaw, i.e., he wants to be the leader of the free world.
How could we ever trust a man with those kinds of lofty ideals?
We've never heard too much about people wanting to off McCain ... or Bush although I've heard citizen after citizen "wish it so" ... but then again - who would want to do it? Like Bush, McCain would do more damage than an enemy would ... and although McCain hasn't announced yet I have a feeling he might follow G.W.'s lead, i.e., appoint a V.P. that's worse than the P.! Even those that hate the P. will be protecting him!

[Music Junkie]

Not to mention the fact that it was not a plot to kill Obama according to the police. Please findd some conspiracy that is real. There are plenty out there. Biden would be better than Obama anyway.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Music Junkie

Not to mention the fact that it was not a plot to kill Obama according to the police. Please findd some conspiracy that is real. There are plenty out there. Biden would be better than Obama anyway.

This happens sometimes with Catfish ... he must receive a lot of stuff from a lot of different places 'cause some of it never checks out but simply follows the vein he mines.
Now, M.J. - not to present argument but I seriously wonder if all the people who dislike Obama have ever really had a reason to .... well, maybe not that they dislike him but more like you state - that someone else would be better. All I really recall about Biden is that his hair-color looks great with that pastel-Blue tie.
With only a couple of years as a senator from Illinois I think that Obama is simply an unknown ... which rings good ... but could end up "not so good".
Mostly, when I see or hear someone diss-ing Mobama I seem to instantly assume that it's a racial-thing 'cause almost everything else seems to look right and so far as his experience ... aren't we all collectively sick and tired of the same ol'-same ol' system and group of YMCA nude-swimmers? Aren't we all secretly hoping that he'll fix a couple of things that are wrong and will start the ball rolling to fix a bunch o' stuff that's gone downhill the past few decades?
I mean, seriously, we know McCain won't, don't we?
Forgive me for leaving Bob Barr out of it ... I'm only leaving him out of it because he's seriously not in it. I always figured, never argue with the last-place finisher.

[Panterro]

Originally Posted by Music Junkie

Not to mention the fact that it was not a plot to kill Obama according to the police. Please findd some conspiracy that is real. There are plenty out there. Biden would be better than Obama anyway.

Really News sources say otherwise.

Wyody, I am not catfish.

The Speech tonight by Obama, sucked. Guess the silver wore off already.

VOTE BOB BARR.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Panterro

Really News sources say otherwise.

Wyody, I am not catfish.

The Speech tonight by Obama, sucked. Guess the silver wore off already.

VOTE BOB BARR.

1) Whoever said you were Catfish? Oh - I see it now. Same ilk ... except with Catfish - it's just a couple of stray-yet-focused thoughts that seem to have grown weird hairs ... not the entire head.
2) Obama's speech was fabulous. Don't care who you are. It will stand out especially since McCain is not a very good speaker. It will also stand out especially because, at least to the human ear, it was right on. (naturally, one speech or ten does not make a future). I know a lot about speeches - I used to write them ... and give them ... and I've heard a slew.
3) Won't be voting for Barr - not sure he's on the ballot out here. I know he is in Montana. I expressed my fears of Libertarian politics a long time ago - can't get over them. Looks OK on paper but that's not whatcha get.
4) Won't be voting for Bush or McCain.
5) Everytime I pull up one of your posts, my virus-protection stuff goes haywire. What's up with that? Doesn't do it on other people's posts.
6) You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
7) Even you must be aware that "old-school" isn't working - that it's corrupt and that change is truly needed - not only in Washington, not only in politics but in "business as usual" and right in our own towns ... and even on our own block. Even you must be aware that there are a lot of people with hard-chisled attitudes that are stuck in some archaic, negative vise that is squeezing the good air out of our tired, collective lungs.
That isn't going to happen with the Republicans for now and especially not with McCain.
Sorry, Catfish!

[Music Junkie]

Originally Posted by Panterro

Really News sources say otherwise.

Wyody, I am not catfish.

The Speech tonight by Obama, sucked. Guess the silver wore off already.

VOTE BOB BARR.

I don't know what sources you are listening to because the ones I have listened to and read have said that it was not a conspiracy to kill Obama. So there you have it, it was or it wasn't. Either way, he knew the chances for such a thing by running.

I don't like his politics anyway. I don't like McCain's politics either. Neither one of them wants what is best for the country and the regular people at all.

[Music Junkie]

Black LA Talk Radio Host
Exposes Obama Lies
Obama's Not Exactlys...
8-28-8

Terry Anderson, Black LA Talk Radio host listed the following "Not Exactlys" regarding many of Obama's claims... (Obama’s Not Exactlys: - Say Anything: Reader Blogs)

1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.

Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth!

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From... .and f or more....go to.....

Arcade@Home(tm) - NewsBoy Breaking News: Barack
Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'' Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 'NO' VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourse lf, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel . ;

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

39.) My uncle liberated Auschwitz concentration camp - NOT EXACTLY, your mother had no brothers and the Russian army did the liberating


Black LA Talk Radio Host Exposes Obama Lies

[Wyody]

I am always amazed at where peoples' heads are at - and where they go to dig up support for their thought-train.
The polarization of politics is a massive division - often devoid of conscious thought - often devoid of reason - quite often devoid of intelligence yet just as often over-reasoned and overly-intelligent.
M.J. - I don't go for a word of your Anderson approach. Not an issue - and at least a bit off-the-wall - and imo, 93% inaccurate (give or take).
I must at least qualify that a little though: See, I didn't go for a word of Reagan or the Bush family - but each one got elected and ... not only that ... two got re-elected.
We all have those moments where we realize the world has gone mad all around us - I've had several .... but of course remain frighteningly sane and also of course, frighteningly correct. Still, I love a good speech. Obama ranks up there with Clinton - and maybe better than Reagan - has nearly the same approach, i.e., cheerleader

[Panterro]

Take away the silver tounge and what do you have? Nothing.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Panterro

Take away the silver tounge and what do you have? Nothing.

Oh, I totally disagree with you, Panhead.
Using myself as an example ... and I'm not even running for President:
Take away the silver tongue ... and there is still looks, class and awesome credentials!
Peace

[the dufferz]

That is the difference between you and Obama Wyody...

take away the silver tongue and you have looks, class and awesome credentials. Too bad Obama is missing the credentials part of the equation.

Unless of course you count "community organizer" as credentials to be president. If that's all it takes, I am running next time!

President Duff.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by the dufferz

That is the difference between you and Obama Wyody...

take away the silver tongue and you have looks, class and awesome credentials. Too bad Obama is missing the credentials part of the equation.

Unless of course you count "community organizer" as credentials to be president. If that's all it takes, I am running next time!

President Duff.

Well, I can't absolutely discount "community organizer". Not only is it probably higher-up-there than most of my credentials (real or imagined) but it also falls in that category that we have had to create to use the title "Born to Lead".
If that is indeed the reality then, I will also mention that he is not a "stale-and-corrupt insider" by any stretch - which we often seem to think is a good thing.
The rest? I'll simply take the compliment and respond "Aw Shucks"!

... and so far, I have no particular exception to you being President. Maybe a little too right-leaning for my tastes but then, almost everybody is going to be too much like Eileen, to me.
You remember Eileen don't you? "Eileen to the right, Eileen to the left"

[jabm67]

For a couple of weeks now I've had the uncanny feeling that no matter who wins in November 2008, they won't be alive to run for re-election in 2012. Whether that means a nutcase assassinates Obama, or McCain dies of stress-induced natural causes, no idea; I can see either one.

[Wyody]

You're certainly not alone in your feelings/fears. That's why a Veep choice was so important for both. While I think Obama could have chosen just about anybody available, McCain could really not afford to be so frivolous with his choice.
Obama needed to calm fears related to his lack of experience on the international front so, even though he probably didn't/couldn't find anybody that shared, exactly, his vision of change ... it was easy to find somebody that can take his job if need be.
McCain, on the other hand, has experience but is at that age where we expect him to drop at any time - so he needed someone that we wouldn't think of as geriatric ... but still probably needed someone with experience - like a Biden. I think he flubbed in that way - choosing instead to compete with Obama's age and precociousness.

[Music Junkie]

Originally Posted by Wyody

Well, I can't absolutely discount "community organizer". Not only is it probably higher-up-there than most of my credentials (real or imagined) but it also falls in that category that we have had to create to use the title "Born to Lead".
If that is indeed the reality then, I will also mention that he is not a "stale-and-corrupt insider" by any stretch - which we often seem to think is a good thing.
The rest? I'll simply take the compliment and respond "Aw Shucks"!

... and so far, I have no particular exception to you being President. Maybe a little too right-leaning for my tastes but then, almost everybody is going to be too much like Eileen, to me.
You remember Eileen don't you? "Eileen to the right, Eileen to the left"

But, he most certainly is a corrupt insider to Illinois politics.

[Music Junkie]

Originally Posted by Wyody

You're certainly not alone in your feelings/fears. That's why a Veep choice was so important for both. While I think Obama could have chosen just about anybody available, McCain could really not afford to be so frivolous with his choice.
Obama needed to calm fears related to his lack of experience on the international front so, even though he probably didn't/couldn't find anybody that shared, exactly, his vision of change ... it was easy to find somebody that can take his job if need be.
McCain, on the other hand, has experience but is at that age where we expect him to drop at any time - so he needed someone that we wouldn't think of as geriatric ... but still probably needed someone with experience - like a Biden. I think he flubbed in that way - choosing instead to compete with Obama's age and precociousness.

McCain did not need to pick a veep with experience since McCain has plenty himself. Obama needed to because he has none. I like Sarah Palin. I wish she was running for President. She would make Obam look like the liar he is.

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by Music Junkie

McCain did not need to pick a veep with experience since McCain has plenty himself. Obama needed to because he has none. I like Sarah Palin. I wish she was running for President. She would make Obam look like the liar he is.

My statement was related to "if" McCain keels over - then it would be nicer to have someone with as much experience as a Biden or such.
Your response to the prior post regarding Illinois politics is out of my realm of knowledge so, I'll leave that one alone.
Know what I'm finding out? It's something I find out every few years and then, somehow, forget - and that is: I think I just don't like Republican politicians no matter who they are - my "Bah Humbug" mechanism kicks in as soon as I see that they're Republican.
I used to be the same way towards both parties - but guess I felt a little "un-American" by not having a preference.
So, with Palin, I find myself disliking her in every way! Even today as a friend was calling her a "centerfold knock-out", I couldn't even imagine it. He said "Imagine with her glasses off" and I said "Just looks like scary ol' Sarah to me".
Not to jibe or not-jibe but I think I've become predictable and maybe even narrow-minded ... and quite possibly a Democrat. Yuck! Yuck! Yuck! I hate growing up!

[jabm67]

Of course, Palin's experience involves running a smaller organization that the City of El Paso.

[isabel]

At first glance I like Palin. I've decided to go with McCain. I was really wanting to go with Obama...the liberal in me...but I just can't get past his inexperience and something just doesn't ring true about his speeches. I wish he had a longer track record that I could look at it and make an informed decision, based on that record. I just can't get a handle on Obama one way or another.

McCain rings true to me. I like the rebel side of him that shines through with his choice of Palin. He has guts, experience, and a back bone. I can look at his record and say "Yes, he will make a fine president."

My first impressions of Palin is she will do fine as a VP. What you see is what you get with her. It seems to be all out there. The good, bad, and ugly...that the press could find. So far I haven't seen anything that alarms me. At this point, I would prefer her as president over Obama. She seems more open and honest than Obama. She has just as much experience, if not more. She presents herself as a "Real Person", not just a show put together by cordinators. Obama definately appears to be a show put together by professionals, too put together, makes him look unreal. Palin's family comes off as being pretty real.

Well those are my thoughts.

Izzy

[Wyody]

Originally Posted by isabel

At first glance I like Palin. I've decided to go with McCain. I was really wanting to go with Obama...the liberal in me...but I just can't get past his inexperience and something just doesn't ring true about his speeches. I wish he had a longer track record that I could look at it and make an informed decision, based on that record. I just can't get a handle on Obama one way or another.

McCain rings true to me. I like the rebel side of him that shines through with his choice of Palin. He has guts, experience, and a back bone. I can look at his record and say "Yes, he will make a fine president."

My first impressions of Palin is she will do fine as a VP. What you see is what you get with her. It seems to be all out there. The good, bad, and ugly...that the press could find. So far I haven't seen anything that alarms me. At this point, I would prefer her as president over Obama. She seems more open and honest than Obama. She has just as much experience, if not more. She presents herself as a "Real Person", not just a show put together by cordinators. Obama definately appears to be a show put together by professionals, too put together, makes him look unreal. Palin's family comes off as being pretty real.

Well those are my thoughts.

Izzy

Thanks Izzy. I do disagree with some of it in premise but at least you've got your "whys" together. My "why" on McCain starts with the words "Mama's Boy" and doesn't get better.
But in regards to Palin: While I'm a bit convinced that I don't care for her or her record (so far), the loud truth remains "Hey! Dan Quayle was Vice President - and we didn't explode".
I think we're lucky that nothing happened to Bush II - like many folks said they were hoping for - 'cause Cheney seems much scarier.
For the most part, it's kind of a nowhere job ... unless. And then, it's just like waiting for tomorrow's funny-pages to come out. Remember Gerald Ford ... shortest service Pres of our time ... but stood the straightest right to the end! Gerald was also parodied on SNL more than any other Pres, I think.
Obama only scares me a little. I've known a lot of Chicagoans and he doesn't seem like them. He just seems the only voice speaking for the people (that's us) ... and I'm willing to give him a chance. Walter (McCain) just bores me to tears ... although, I've got to admit ... choosing himself a little luv-bunny right in front of everybody is worth a smile and a wink!